Kiryas Joel and Sexual Abuse

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Sexual Abuse Within Kiryas Joel as Reported by FailedMessiah.com

by LostMessiah.com, February 27, 2016

Sexual Abuse within the Satmar community of Kiryas Joel was reported many times between 2010 and 2016 and yet, little has changed. LostMessiah has decided to reprint many of these articles. It is our sincere hope that perhaps the children Kiryas Joel, forced into silence, the families shamed into hiding the abuse and the rabbis and leaders who justify the silence through their own seemingly distorted views will come forward and speak. It is our view that anyone responsible for demanding silence is equally as guilty of abuse as the abusers themselves.

 

Suffering In Silence: Child Sexual Abuse In Kiryas Joel

Shtreiml Shlomo Weiss grew up in Kiryas Joel, a rural Orthodox-Jewish town, and says that he was sexually abused starting at the age of 7, adding that the abuse was regularly covered up by others in the close-knit community.

Suffering in Silence: A News 12 special report

[Report from YouTube – Lost Link]

(08/31/10) KIRYAS JOEL – Shlomo Weiss grew up in Kiryas Joel, a rural Orthodox-Jewish town, and says that he was sexually abused starting at the age of 7, adding that the abuse was regularly covered up by others in the close-knit community.

Now 36 years old and living in Brooklyn, Weiss says that in a horrifying twist, his abuser was the one man who should’ve been protecting him — his father.

It would be nine long years before Weiss would seek help, revealing his secret to his school teachers and to the head rabbi at the Nitra Yeshiva in Mount Kisco, where he was studying.

Instead of calling police, however, Weiss says he was sent to study in Europe and then pressured into an arranged marriage at the age of 19. Meanwhile, Weiss’ father remained free, working as a school bus driver.

Weiss recently visited the Westchester campus of his yeshiva to demand answers. His former teacher admitted to remembering his story, but said their community is resistant to outside involvement when handling sex abuse cases.

“For them, it’s easier not to acknowledge a problem exists,” Weiss says.

Advocates say Weiss’ story is much more common than people might think.

“I don’t think there’s any community on Earth that has this percentage of people victimized,” says Ben Hirsch, of Survivors for Justice.

Hirsch’s Manhattan-based group is dedicated to helping ultra-Orthodox Jewish victims of sexual abuse. Hirsch believes there are thousands of them, yet their cases seldom end up in court because a rabbi’s permission is needed to call police.

Over the past 30 years, there has been only one Hassidic man from Kiryas Joel who was convicted of a sex crime. Most pedophiles, however, are simply expelled out of the community, Hirsch says.

However, Ari Felberman, the public relations director for Kiryas Joel, denies all allegations of covering up sexual abuse cases.

Following his interview with News 12, Weiss confronted his father about the alleged abuse, to which Joseph Weiss responded with silence and stormed away. Still, Shlomo Weiss says the experience has left him a changed man. He hopes it will encourage other victims to speak up.

 

Note to Readers: LostMessiah.com has decided to copy the comments as well because so many of the articles from FailedMessiah have disappeared or are difficult to find. We felt these comments were equally as important as the article, some because of their shamefulness, some because of their contempt, some because of their compassion. – LostMessiah.com

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erstwhile chabadchik
Shlomo,

You are brave and strong–yasher koach. Refuah shelaymah to your goof and neshama.

I wish you only GOOD in your new life. May it be full of light, happiness, and real love.

POSTED BY: ERSTWHILE CHABADCHIK | DECEMBER 07, 2010 AT 09:33 PM

Hadas
well this place is hopping. i should log in more often. (thanks for the tip, ex chasid.) how amusing to find out that i am a “lesbofagg.”

on a sobering note, any person reading this who is not already aware, should know that Shlomo’s father, in addition to being a pedophile, is violent and emotionally abusive to his wife and other kids. if you have a shred of decency and are in a position to do something about this, i encourage and applaud you. go Henry!

the question has been raised in this forum and in another by the likes of 2thePoint, CornPop etc, that Yosl could not have molested Shlomo in his bedroom while his mother was home because Shlomo said his father would, on occasion, molest him in the car if, for example, his mother was home. on the chance that a reasonable person would take this argument seriously, i’d like to say that Yosl abused Shlomo for years and these two situations are not mutually exclusive. also, keep in mind that the aired report is heavily edited from much longer footage and interviews.

as to how i know what i know, i spoke with Shlomo and other family members. one credible relative told me that my sister-in-law (Shlomo’s mother) conveyed that she would grab the girls to protect them because she felt that was the best she could do.

i wish you all a lovely and wonderful year. may you enjoy good health, tranquility and beauty.

POSTED BY: HADAS | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 10:32 PM

Mr. Apikoros
No, Obvious, observant I am not. It’s not one of my weak points.

I congratulate Shlomo for standing up for himself, in the face of adversity. Have a wonder Rosh Hashana and a super 5771.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 08:14 PM

ex chasid
i too grew up in a chassidic environment and suffered emotional, physical and sexual abuse. it is sad to see that when someone who is forced out of the community by all the hypocrisy that is against the torah, he/she is then being judged for leaving that same community.
you guys [the ones that would rather believe a rapist/abuser because he wears a shtriemel] are part of the problem. were any of you there to support the victims? YES VICTIMS!!!! including shloimy and hadas? no one was there for me either. and when i left it was so easy to say that my leaving is proof that i am bad. and if i want some kugel some stupid schmuck is gonna talk to me about coming back.
some of you would rather keep your head in the sand than deal with the horror that goes on daily in your community.
SHAME ON YOU!!!!
shloimy, congrats on standing up to your abuser, kol hakavod and shana tova.

POSTED BY: EX CHASID | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 08:01 PM

Obvious
im at a big office with multiple chasidim AND computers

mr apikores on other hand replied to the comment made for hadas stating “I” am not observant!

POSTED BY: OBVIOUS | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 01:01 PM

Shmarya
It’s called sockputting, and we don’t allow it.

And now, SHARING COMPUTERS, Duhhhhh, Dduhhhh, and 2thePoint are banned.

POSTED BY: SHMARYA | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 08:34 AM

SHARING COMPUTERS
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR SYSTEM -SHMARYA, SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE THE SAME COMPUTER OR IP ADDRESS (INTERNET SERVER), THERE ARE LOTS OF OFFICES & INTERNET CAFE’S OUT THERE.THE EMAIL ADD. SHOULD BE WHAT YOU LOOK AT.
SEEMS YOUR ONLY 1 TRACK MINDED -LIVING IN A BUBBLE, STANDING UP ONLY AGAINST US (-JEWS) & NOT FOR LOGIC OR HUMANITY.
WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH USING MULTIPLE NAMES? WHAT DO YOU CARE?
CUT THIS BULLSHIT, & GO GET A LIFE.

POSTED BY: SHARING COMPUTERS | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 08:29 AM

Shmarya
@ mr apikores
you commented as hadas…

No, he did not comment as Hadas.

POSTED BY: SHMARYA | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 02:31 AM

Shmarya
Posted by: CornPop | September 06, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Posted by: Obvious | September 07, 2010 at 01:08 AM

Obvious and CornPop are the same person.

Stick to one screen name (or, better yet, your real name). If you don’t, I’ll ban you and delete your comments.

And stop threatening people with violence.

POSTED BY: SHMARYA | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 02:29 AM

Obvious
@ mr apikores
you commented as hadas stating you are the aunt, when you got the feedback about the shabbat timings you replied as mr apikores “i am not shabbat observant” dont make urself look stupid lol
random comment i gotta make here is to all you ppl cornpop and 2thpoint and duh the way you talk and the words you use is an embarrassment to the community you are trying to stick up for!! specialy to you “cornpop” your language is HORRID!

POSTED BY: OBVIOUS | SEPTEMBER 07, 2010 AT 02:08 AM

CornPop
@ Sarah

Shame On You – You X-Jew WannaBe PieceO’ Crap, I Wish You’d been Raped & Pregnant By your Father & Mother -ThreeSome style.
“Why People Question Shlomo??”
Does he even Make Sence? The Question is “Why People Believe HIM”?? He’s on Pot, Heroin, & Extacy for past SIX YEARS!!
Did you know That he Has a Family in Israel? A Wife & Kids? How Come he NEVER went 2 See them For the Past 12 Years??? Doesn’t this Show you somthing?
& To Your Second Statement (about his Mother knowing) YOU BITCH WHAT YOU ARE Your Mother Shouldve Kill You When she Gave Birth To you, SHLOMO HIMSELF SAID “WHEN MY MOTHER WAS HOME “WE HAD TO DO IT HERE IN THE DRIVEWAY” (Showing with his Hands the Exact Location Where his Fathers Car used to Be Parked..) – & You A**Hole Talk on his Mother all this NonSense Garbage -& The Problem is US QUESTIONING HIM???
Your End will be Soooo Painful – You will Wish You Had Cancer.

POSTED BY: CORNPOP | SEPTEMBER 06, 2010 AT 11:40 PM

Shmarya
Posted by: DDuuhhh… | September 06, 2010 at 07:34 AM

Posted by: 2thePoint | September 05, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Stick to one screen name (or, better yet, your real name). If you don’t, I’ll ban you and delete your comments.

POSTED BY: SHMARYA | SEPTEMBER 06, 2010 AT 10:17 AM

Mr. Apikoros
I’m not Hadas, “Obvious.” Moreover, the only name I’ve ever used here is “Mr. Apikoros.”

That’s more than one can say about yourself, whom I suspect have used many names here.

As for 2thepoints comment, I can’t respond to it because it’s so unintelligibly written that it’s totally incomprehensible.

Maybe you and the rest of your Haredi brethren ought to learn English before posting here.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 06, 2010 AT 09:09 AM

DDuuhhh…
Hadas I know you, & there’s a reason why you droped your Family….
You are angry cuz u know where you are at, & Instead of YOU taking care of yourself – You Blame your loving mother & Father (May he RIP) for the S**t Youve been Thru..
NOTHING will Help You Heal your Depression & your Sick Yearnings Back Home – You Sick LesboFagg!!
Go Back to where you come from – Yes to Williamsburg – the 225 Division Projects….

POSTED BY: DDUUHHH… | SEPTEMBER 06, 2010 AT 08:34 AM

Obvious
so mr apikores you are hadas? what are you hiding using 2 names? and what about 2thepoints first comment?

POSTED BY: OBVIOUS | SEPTEMBER 05, 2010 AT 08:01 PM

Mr. Apikoros
2thepoint, I’m not Shabbos observant, and if I feel like answering you, Saturday is as good a day as any.

You, on the other hand, don’t have to read it until Shabbos is over. Nobody’s putting a gun to your head and forcing you.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 05, 2010 AT 06:42 PM

2thePoint
I’m not sure if his mother knew about it Hadas -or Not, first he says that when his mother was home they had to do it in the DriveWay, Then he says that on Shabbath “My Mother would wait til we were finish, & then & then & then & then ………….
So Explain it to me please – My Dear ‘AUNT’ Did she or didn’t she know about this….
& by the way: if you DO want to answer me, -Please -Not on shabbos……
Thank You!

POSTED BY: 2THEPOINT | SEPTEMBER 05, 2010 AT 11:32 AM

Obvious
@Hadas

u havnt been around him or his family for past 30 years so you have no word in what is truth!

@izzy

the timing of her posting shows me and all around who to believe

POSTED BY: OBVIOUS | SEPTEMBER 04, 2010 AT 11:07 PM

Dizzy Izzy 613
I wont invest 5 cents on anything hadas Writes,her agenda to us all is very well known !

POSTED BY: DIZZY IZZY 613 | SEPTEMBER 04, 2010 AT 10:42 PM

Hadas
I am Shloimy’s aunt. Shloimy is telling the truth and this is only the tip of the iceberg. The emotional and physical violence my brother has heaped and is continuing to heap on his wife and children is horrible.

POSTED BY: HADAS | SEPTEMBER 04, 2010 AT 05:20 AM

Sarah
Sickening how people question Shlomo’s story. It’s obvious that those who question have not been through such horrid pain. Why in the world would someone make up such a sick, vile story? I grew up chasidish and hate my people with passion cause of all the ignorance and DENIAL.

How can his own mother wait 1/2 hour until that pig of a father did his shit? Only a mother who breeds 15 dozen kids under 10 years can be that cold, hearless,inhumane, venomous. She should be raped by her husband instead of the poor little boy.

Monroe is depressing, to many trees to hide and do all crazy stuff. Life is to boring so they end up acting like animals.

POSTED BY: SARAH | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 11:22 PM

Monsey Hocker
Shmarya, Udaman! Believe that jerk has done more with socks than just puppeting. He’s OUTAHERE!

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 11:09 PM

sickntired
Moshe Kestenbaum a Willi Yid… WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE INTERNET RIGHT BEFORE ROSH HASHUNA & YOM KIPPER???? TWO FACED HYPOCRITE.

A SATMARA MIEDAL.
POSTED BY: SICKNTIRED | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 11:05 PM

Shmarya
Mary, truth, gtd and Brooklyn are all the same person.

What he’s doing is called sockpuppeting, and he’s doing it to make it look like his position has widespread support – but it does not.

I’m banning him from leaving further comments.

POSTED BY: SHMARYA | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 10:23 PM

mary
Shlomo! nice try! you should have been more discreet about your plans to falsely accuse your father of molestation as revenge!
maybe then your friends would have had more sympathy….

POSTED BY: MARY | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 09:58 PM

truth
“Here’s another piece of information the public should know – the wreckage of a mother knew what the father was doing to Shlomo – do you know what she told Shlomo? Horror of horrors – “I know what he’s doing to you; but I’m afraid if not for you he will go to the girls and they will get pregnant”. So Shlomo was sacrificed for his sisters!” quotes Henry

Henry,
If you do know the family, u would know that couldn’t have happened since the oldest daughter in that family was a tot when shlomo got married. they sure had no girls when Shlomo claims he was molested!

so next time make sure your lies have a base to it

POSTED BY: TRUTH | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 09:44 PM

Mr. Apikoros
Keep calling me names, Moisheleh.

Just remember you’re at a huge disadvantage. I know where you work. I doubt if you own the business.

Even if your boss is a Hasid just like you, I don’t think he’ll appreciate your using company time to insult and threaten other bloggers.

What’s McGuinness beer? Where can I get some? (I drink Warsteiner and Sam Adams, btw.)

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 08:34 PM

Monsey Hocker
Chezkel, he wore a blue shirt in the video. We all know what that means to you. I mean come on A BLUE SHIRT!! What looks he’ll get in shul…but the shyster goniff pal of yours would get a parade on 13th avenue if he were free, as a matter of fact, maybe you should plan one for 2037. No parades for the kids assraped by the frimmers.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 07:43 PM

jancsibacsi
there is a yiddish sayin oifen ganev brendt den hittel, to me it is obvious this cannot be made up after seeing the father on the video this saying tottaly applies to him the father, this so unbeleivable that a father can do this to his son its very very disturbing especially from a religious person pure evil i wrote before i was also molested at the age of 10 by non other then our shohet and moiel this happened in a european town 50 years ago so its very obvious to me that this son is saying the truth looking at him in the video i fell pity and say for him he looks so fragile and hurt its beyong words this story is even too horrible to comtemplate on

POSTED BY: JANCSIBACSI | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 03:32 PM

Cheskel
Monsey Kocker, Besides having an acid tongue that should be scrubbed with bleach,you also lie and twist.

Read what i wrote:
“I watched the entire clip and was horrified. I cant imagine anyone doing something like this to a child,especial a father.””

Silly boy,its a way of expressing shock and horror.
POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 03:30 PM

Henry
Henry,
Maybe its true maybe not. CHESKEL, I WRITE ONLY THE TRUTH

Does the pesak from Rav Wosner apply if the person who accuses is not a Shomer Torah? THIS IS WHERE THE COWARDS HIDE – THEY USE THIS FOR AN EXCUSE, NOT A REASON

Is SW a shomer torah or did he leave the fold? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

POSTED BY: HENRY | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 03:08 PM

Monsey Hocker
Listen to the code words Jewkillers like Chezkel speak and then you’ll understand why moshiach has abandoned der frimmer:

“I cant imagine anyone doing something like this to a child,especial a father” Therefore, the child must be lying.

“Does the pesak from Rav Wosner apply if the person who accuses is not a Shomer Torah” This is perfect for the holier than thous. What human would want to be shomer mitzvos if they have a father that rapes them? Weingarten used the same pathetic and disgusting logic to attempt to discredit his daughter…since she’s not frum…don’t believe her. Right, because as long as someone is “shomer mitzvos” you can beleive them. No one wants toa dmit that Rubashkin is a convicted felon and therefore posul eidus. Lebovitz too. But they drink cholov yisroel so all is well with the world. Hypocritical ayeholes.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 02:56 PM

Monsey Hocker
HENRY I am not defending the father one iota, are you insane?

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 02:36 PM

Cheskel
Henry,
Maybe its true maybe not.
Does the pesak from Rav Wosner apply if the person who accuses is not a Shomer Torah?
Is SW a shomer torah or did he leave the fold?

POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 02:28 PM

Henry
Monsey Hocker

So sad to see you trying to defend the father. If you really know Shlomo and his family (I don’t believe you do) they are all the proof you need. Yes, his mother did say exactly that to Shlomo! What kind of proof do you want?

Listen to this: Rav Benzion Wosner from Monsey quoted his father Rav Wosner from Isreal: “when an act is commited between four eyes “iz an isha und a kuten oichet bagleibt”. I myself heard it from Rav Benzion Wosner.

POSTED BY: HENRY | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 01:53 PM

Cheskel
Truth,

I watched the entire clip and was horrified. I cant imagine anyone doing something like this to a child,especial a father.

But the more i see what kind of people sticks up for Shlomo,i have a different feeling.

No one knows if he tells truth. Maybe yes or no.If true,there are no words to describe the father.

But again we cant know just from watching a report.

For now whats certain,that MH has a mouth like a pig and most probably is one. He talks and writes like a degenerate. Sorry to all degenerate for comparing you to MH. Dont expect anything but pig langauge

POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 01:36 PM

Monsey Hocker
JAGOFF, USE THE BRAIN IN YOUR HEAD NOT THE ONE YOU SIT ON. If the father was innocent he would have been SCREAMING ON CAMERA that his son is crazy, that it never happened, that he would never do that, he would emphatically deny the entire story and he would have done so in highly animated fashion. Take some time to look at the tape. His body language, his reaction, his demeanor all say GUILTY. You never learned shtika k’hoydaa? Come on. What prrof do you want, the blood and semen running down the kid’s leg? YOU ARE A PIG, and I don’t mean that metaphorically, just like the pig shows his hoof and says split you preach honesty and call for truth yet you ignore the obvious. What a disgrace. The kid’s was raped by his father not mugged by some dime store hood. What’s wrong with you? The father ran away like a coward. BECAUSE HE IS ONE. POST HIS ADDRESS I’LL BE THERE IN AN HOUR. Stick a mic in my face and make that claim YOU’LL SEE ME HIT THE ROOF. BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING. You whiny biotch, sackless and gutless – STAND UP FOR THE VICTIMS not the animals that rape them.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 01:06 PM

truth
Monsey Hocker,

Your bad language only proves my point. i wont lower myself to your level to answer you. and again i want proof that this story is true. other than bashing chasidim and orthodox your not really sayin anything..

POSTED BY: TRUTH | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 12:49 PM

Monsey Hocker
“Truth” you are a lying sack of chassidic filth. Much like Chezkel your impotent barbs and cheap shots reveal gutless peons with no beitzim to speak of – mommas boys who don’t have the guts to leave the toilet seat up let alone reveal the truth that chassidim today is rotten to the core – a great gelt maker for the select few but a headless religion akin to Judaism for the masses who allow incestuous animals to roam free breaking child after child.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 12:42 PM

truth
Henry,

where do you get your information from? I want proof of what you just said. i also know Shlomo and his family very well and there’s no way this happened. knowing his mother she did not say this. HA ha has do you know her at all?

POSTED BY: TRUTH | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 12:27 PM

Henry
How is it that by now everyone’s gone off the subject? This blog is sounding more and more like Vosizneias – within about 5-6 comments the bashing begins and the subject is forgotten. Me thought this blog had more elan!
I live in Kiryas Joel. I know this monster father. Channel 12 hasen’t even begun to scratch the surface of the tragedy of this case. What I see here is 2 stories. The first story is the pedophilia, but the greater and much more tragic story is the irresponsibility of the people in authority who were in a position to save lives, yet they let this animal go back to his other children (where he promplty molested another son for years) while thinking they saved Shlomo! This is not just about finger pointing – this is about the community leaders, both in Kiryas Joel and Nitra and almost all Chassidic circles acknowledging that they have absolutely no education, experience, understanding in these matters and that these matters are life and death matters and not about protecting the reputation of the father and the community. To save the lives of his children and wife (I call her another Hedda Nussbaum, poor woman) they themselves should have escorted this animal into the nearest police station!
Here’s another piece of information the public should know – the wreckage of a mother knew what the father was doing to Shlomo – do you know what she told Shlomo? Horror of horrors – “I know what he’s doing to you; but I’m afraid if not for you he will go to the girls and they will get pregnant”. So Shlomo was sacrificed for his sisters!
Although I’m very pained of the attention and the “Chilul Hashem” focused on our communtiy, Tara Rosenblum may very well be saving the lives of innocent, helpless children of our communty.

POSTED BY: HENRY | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 12:20 PM

DVID
I would never ever believe a accused molester over a alleged victim of sexual abuse.. But for some reason im unsure about this story.. If he was exposed to rape and other forms of abuse im unsure that he would have the psyche to even meet his father, and not even cry.. Rape is EXTREMELY traumatic for a child victim and often makes the person severely emotionally fragile.. Yet he doesn’t cry or seem shocked a single time in this video.. But i shouldn’t go on.. If he was victimized he did the right thing to expose his father to the rest of the country, and community..

POSTED BY: DVID | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 12:18 PM

Cheskel
I guess in your house which is probably a homeless shelter, profane has different definition.Usually profane means,a dirty mouth like a toilet.
Just don’t give up and show your true colors

POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 12:05 PM

Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA
mr apikoras YOUR A SCUM BAG, HACK,AND A McGinniss BEER DRINKER . you illiterate GARABGE GO buy yourself a stump and hack it. You Liberal Punk FAG, Go straight to Hell you PIG. there is no doubt that you have no balls, no penis and probably not even a vagina

POSTED BY: MOSHE ARON KESTENBAUM, WILLIAMSBURG ODA | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 11:24 AM

Monsey Hocker
I don’t know who this Eric is but let me tell you – I love Judaism and the Torah. PROFANE is the animals that have sanctified the gonnif Rubashkin, the same ilk that lobbied for cop killer Grossman, the same chazzer feesen yids who defended Kolko, the pederast Weingarten and many other lowlifes. Defending rapists? That’s profane bro, me throwing in a noun here or a verb there is nothing compared to the disgrace Chabad made defending a guilty crook. Pinny Lipschitz, Nat Lewin, the Chabad machine that tried to make this a war on shechita – that’s profane. When Pinny klopps al cheit this year let him klop al cheit for raping halacha by claiming SMR is a pidyon shvuyim case. Pinny, ever hear of Schwab – check it out, he said it best – MEESA is not mechaper for Chilul Hashem befarhesya – so you might as well throw in the towel now Pinny, scarf down as many cheeseburgers and clams casino as you want cause you’re done. You want profane? Read the Yated.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 10:19 AM

Monsey Hocker
Eric, when you become Shmarya and you own this site, then you can dictate terms. Until then, why don’t you come up to Concord and take the dinkelberrys out of my taint hands free.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 10:14 AM

Mr. Apikoros
Anyway, Eric, the real profanity on this site isn’t the salty language used by Monsey Hocker, myself, or MM3, but the vile comments made by slimebuckets such as “Nobody” who call for the extermination of all Palestinians, or at least support those who do.

There’s only one thing worse than a real Nazi. That’s a Jew who acts like one.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 09:59 AM

Mr. Apikoros
Monsey Hocker is one of the funniest guys on this site, even upstaging me.

I guess you haven’t seen guys like Buddy Hackett or Alan King live. Probably way before your time.

If you don’t like profanity, Eric, there’s not too much on the Disney Channel.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 09:53 AM

Eric
Monsey Hocker,
Could you cut down on the profanity please?

POSTED BY: ERIC | SEPTEMBER 02, 2010 AT 02:02 AM

Monsey Hocker
“I know you wont agree,but it is being handled allot internally (1) and with good endings (2).”

(1) Yes, Chezkel is right it is being handled internall, most often the engorged penis internally inside the large colon of the poor child victim, but sometimes internally the victim’s mouth. Chezkel is not lying about this.

(2) “good endings,” Chezkel is again truthful, the pervert beards are good ending what they start with the expulsion of their vile pervsauce.

It appears Chezkel is finally admitting that his ranks are teeming with sodomite animals that can’t control their rapist urges.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 11:10 PM

Monsey Hocker
MM3, I didn’t vort. Believe me, if I vort, it ain’t kind. Wasn’t it you who taught us those wise words of wisdom buried deep in talmudic lore, whoever smelt it, dealt it?

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 10:48 PM

Harold
But, but, according to Cheskel, Kestenbaum, Chaim1, and Harold, frumma yidden- especially Satmar- are all such wonderful tzaddikim, so how can this be?

Why was I brought into the fray?

As long as I was “invited” here is my take. First of all if you followed some of my posts you will remember of my utmost contempt for the loose canon in our society, the uncontrolled festering infection known as the media. For him to see his father for the first time after so many years, in the middle of the street in front of his neighbors with a reporter in tow with I imagine a full camera crew is disingenuous at best. All I will say is there is something else afoot. I am not saying that abuse did or did not happen. It is just that something is missing from how it is being portrayed. I will leave it at that.

POSTED BY: HAROLD | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 10:20 PM

Menachem Mendel lll
@ Monsey Hocker

Thank you very much for the kind vorten.

POSTED BY: MENACHEM MENDEL LLL | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 09:32 PM

Monsey Hocker
You mean Rubashkinhood’s son in law. Yeah, spotted that. Hopefully he’s learning that you can’t lay your package on a kid’s ass in the mikva and then extort the poor kid to shut up. Of course if you were Yaakov Weiss and married to a broad who wears a raccoon on her head you might catch the queer virus too.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 07:50 PM

libby in the hood
Did anyone happen to notice that they showed a picture of Yaakov Weiss the Albany Chabad rabbi that plead guilty to inappropriate contact with the minor?

POSTED BY: LIBBY IN THE HOOD | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 07:43 PM

Monsey Hocker
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Chezkel you got me I’m laughing so hard it’s hard to type.

And yes, if by sexually deprived you mean I average once a day your’e right. But hey, at least I have sex with a woman. You should try it sometime. You know, the vagina self lubricates, unlike the male rectae you regularly violate. And you gotta leave the stray dogs and cats in your neighborhood alone. Eventually you could get arrested for that stuff and then we’d have top raise money to get you out of prison. We’d do it the right way – we’d be honest and say its a chesed to get the poor pillowbiter chezkel out o fjail – but we wouldn’t call it pidyon shvuyim cause that would be a lie.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 04:18 PM

Mr. Apikoros
Moisheleh:

Every day is a good day to beat up on Kiryas Joel. Especially Rosh Hashana, because it means that the world is cursed with that rathole for another year.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 03:47 PM

Cheskel
Very well written, Monsey Kocker.

From your writings it seems like someone who is sexually deprived,nebach.

Loose some weight and take showers more often perhaps you will find a date. Just make sure not to verbal abuse her because you are an expert in the field of profanity.

POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 03:24 PM

Monsey Hocker
MM3 is a tzadik.

There are a number of reasons as to why the grubbe fat sweaty stanky drek assed rancid dandruff riddled ballshvitzing pigs can’t control their engorged members and have to stick it somewhere other than where it should be. IMHO, the culture breeds these Chezkels into incestuous pedophiliac molestators.

Firstly, their women shave their heads but not their whozawhatsits? WTF???????? They look like beasts down below and zombies up top. What man is attracted to that? Ladies – if you have more hair down there than up top – get help.

On top of that they teach the women to lay there like dead fish corpses during the act of corpus delecti. And humskies? NEVER. The closest a chassidic man gets to BJs is the wholesale club.

Their failure to groom creates an odor akin to rotting carp sitting on asphalt in 95 degree sun. Who wants to go near that? No cunning linguists here.

Sof kol sof – no wonder the men are so screwed up.

POSTED BY: MONSEY HOCKER | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 03:02 PM

jancsibacsi
cheskel- you dont get it do you, even one incident is too many by those who claim they are the most honest truthfull most religious g-d fearing and their dress is to show that, their piety is beyond reproach as they say what do you expect from rational people they see the absolute hypocricy

POSTED BY: JANCSIBACSI | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 02:19 PM

Cheskel
“””But, but, according to Cheskel, Kestenbaum, Chaim1, and Harold, frumma yidden- especially Satmar- are all such wonderful tzaddikim, so how can this be?

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton”””

Child molestation is a fact and its been going on for ever all over the world.

I know you wont agree,but it is being handled allot internally and with good endings.

In general the Orthodox community are law abiding and modest citizen. Of course you will hear stories after all human nature is by all of us.

However, when you claim that ALL of satmars are perverts,thats sad.

Besideds murder,every crime in the book is comitted by orthodox jews per your twisted mind.

POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 01:49 PM

Cheskel
OMG,

You say: “””When I was in Satmar, pedophilia was not a common occurrence, yes, there are exceptions to norm, i.e. Weingarten and few more, but overall I don’t believe that statistics will show a greater propensity for pedophilia in Satmar or other orthodox communities”””

The minute i saw this post, i was thinking of asking what your thought on it since you are former satmar-Orthodox. And i felt comfortable asking you since i know the truth.

But i couldn’t post yesterday evening.

In any case if true its a very sad story.

I don’t know what this Ben Hirsch means when he says thousands of abuses in the community. If he meant KJ or the orthodox community in general. What ever he meant,the guy is nuts.

POSTED BY: CHESKEL | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 01:48 PM

Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA
FOR THE RECORD: Who in their right mind would stick up for a CHILD molester? … this guy should be strung up by his fingers and horse whipped and left there till eternity . …
Punishment for a child molesters monster should be harsher, and more time then any other crime this is the only way to stop pedophiles.

POSTED BY: MOSHE ARON KESTENBAUM, WILLIAMSBURG ODA | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 01:46 PM

truth
FTR The Rebbe nowhere in the video confirmed that the abuse was reported to him. he said ‘just because someone said something doesn’t mean its true’.

POSTED BY: TRUTH | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 01:12 PM

truth is sheker
Hey “truth” I guess he knew all the way back when he was a kid and went to his Rebbe about this (which the Rebbe confirmed) that eventually, much later in life he would be in a custody battle and would use this to “blackmail” his father.
Geeeeez……..

POSTED BY: TRUTH IS SHEKER | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 01:03 PM

Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA
I’m not defending child molesters. As far as I’m concerned, they should all be hung on the courthouse square if found guilty, or hung from that sign at the entrance of Kiryas joel . I’m not defending the guy. IT just sounds hinky to me THAT RIGHT BEFORE ROSH HASHANA AND YOM KIPPUR THIS HAS TO BE THE NEWS.

POSTED BY: MOSHE ARON KESTENBAUM, WILLIAMSBURG ODA | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:58 PM

truth
in this case it so happens to be that the accused was wronged big time. Shlomo is known to go around saying “I’m gonna accuse him of molestation if he doesn’t do it my way” (referring to the custody battle)
guy its not always the way it seems.
In all honesty had i not heard Shlomo myself going on and on I would’ve believed it too

POSTED BY: TRUTH | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:55 PM

Motty
To Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA: Where is your Ahavas Yisroel? It should be directed towards Shlome Weiss not towards the “GANOVIM, MOLESTERs and Reshoim”. Shlome was not only victimized by his father, but nebech by society as well. How would you feel if this would have happened to YOU, and after finally spilling your guts to the “people in authority” they would remove only you from the horror but would leave this animal to stay with the rest of the family, where you know he will now molest your younger brothers? Which in fact he did! Shlome is to be highly commended for going public – countless children’s lives will hopefully be saved. Shlome you are a Tzadik! It was so difficult to watch your face when you spoke about your horrifying past. We are all with you – Suffer in Silence no more – better yet suffer no more at all.

POSTED BY: MOTTY | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:49 PM

Menachem Mendel lll
@ Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA

Do not confuse “public information” that has been disseminated thoughout the mainstream media as common knowledge for all to consume with “lashon hara”.

The real world happens to include this zelot rathole aka Kiryas Joel regardless of what they say, think or do no different than Waco.

The real world today does not function in a vacuum not did it during the time of the Hofetz Chaim.

Regretfully you have missed the point as to what Ahavas Yisrooel and Tikkunkehleh Olamkehleh is all about.

At some point in the future when a reliable and trusted news sources reports on a ‘new’ or ‘different’ “kiryas joel” no doubt you will say: “don’t gang up on them” as well.

Guys like you, always have the right answer and your morals are always beyond reproach.

Lastly, nice touch throwing in Rosh Ha’shana for added bonus points.

A Jew or to use your word eh ‘yid’ must be of high moral charater every day of the year (from when he wakes up and walks out the door after kissing the mezuzha till he goes to sleep) not just a few days before the big judgement day as he or she tries to clean his or her criminal indictment rap sheet that The Abishter as tallied up for him or her for past transgressions.

POSTED BY: MENACHEM MENDEL LLL | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:47 PM

jancsibacsi
all that you accuse others of you youreself are guilty of, how dare you suggest we ignore theese monstrocities youre a tottal idiot with youre self rightous writing here fool

POSTED BY: JANCSIBACSI | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:36 PM

Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg ODA
You are all the same host of misfits, malcontents and reshoim, before rosh hashana and yom kippur you find no better news then to talk loshon hara on a fellow jew. YES We have GANOVIM,MOLESTERS,and Reshoim running on the loose, but dont gang up only on Kiryas joel, and right before rosh hashana. Where is ahavas yisroel? Where is that pintala yid?

POSTED BY: MOSHE ARON KESTENBAUM, WILLIAMSBURG ODA | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:23 PM

jack
ben hirch is a pathetic sad guy he fought with all his own board who all left him we are doing good on our own

POSTED BY: JACK | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 11:27 AM

Menachem Mendel lll
This video was too difficult to watch in it’s entirety.

My heart goes out to you Shlomo.

POSTED BY: MENACHEM MENDEL LLL | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 10:39 AM

chaim1
“”””But, but, according to Cheskel, Kestenbaum, Chaim1, and Harold, frumma yidden- especially Satmar- are all such wonderful tzaddikim, so how can this be?”””””
I object to my name being included. I have never said anything of the sort. I am not part of them but for different reasons. I dont consider their ‘brand’ of Jewishness Jewish at all. In my eyes they are not ‘frumme yidden’. For a start they dont davven (even the few who do) on time. They dont learn, well the bavli belongs to the aguda daf yomi so that’s treif. The yerushalmi to ger. The rambam to lubavitch so what could be worse. The shulchan aruch to the chofets chaim, he was aguda as well. So with nothing left to do in their lives what do you expect from them.

Yes they have their bikkur cholim so did s’dom. For that we are not the chosen people.

POSTED BY: CHAIM1 | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 09:18 AM

pityu
we can learn from this that whenever there is a repression of normal feelings we get monsters deviats as i wrote before i myself was molested by our town shohet and mohel over 50 years ago when i was 10 years old i came to the conclusion that theese so called hollier then thou ultra orthodox are are nothing more then self agrandized evil monsters

POSTED BY: PITYU | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 09:03 AM

Mr. Apikoros
This man does not fit my category of men who bring accusations of sexual abuse 30 years after the fact, and who are just out for revenge, or for money, or both.

Weiss brought forth his accusation when he was still a teenager, living away from home and thus away from his father. Of course, the rabbis who he confided in did nothing. Zilch.

That being said, I regard the real problem is not that pedophila is as rampant among the ultra-Orthodox as some would have you believe, but the oath of Omerta that these people are expected to adhere to, which protects the molesters.

In this case, I totally believe Weiss.

POSTED BY: MR. APIKOROS | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 08:21 AM

soso
I could not believe what this Felberman said:

It’s not true, someone is pushing an agenda…

Shlomo: I believe you.
And I know how hard it is to be rejected and not believed by the people closest to you in such a situation.

POSTED BY: SOSO | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 08:07 AM

Shlomo
This is sad beyond words or tears.
As an aside the reporter said that life there revolves around G-d I believe she should have said life revolves around rituals and appearances.

POSTED BY: SHLOMO | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 06:56 AM

SFJ
If you’d like to see the full video, we’ve embedded it on our front page:

http://www.sfjny.org/

POSTED BY: SFJ | SEPTEMBER 01, 2010 AT 12:06 AM

Menachem Mendel lll
Does anybody know if the Orthodox-Jewish community has equalled or surpassed the Roman Catholic Church when it comes to mano on child fornication or “massaging” and stroking of brised genitalia.
POSTED BY: MENACHEM MENDEL LLL | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 11:53 PM

gtd
btw the photo of him as a kid is really his own son.

POSTED BY: GTD | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 11:22 PM

brooklyn
if this story is true i feel bad for him but on the flip side if its fabricated to meet his agenda, i pity the father and family.
POSTED BY: BROOKLYN | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 11:17 PM

Critical minyaN
Hopefully in 5 years we don’t have to read any more tragedies like this. So sad.

POSTED BY: CRITICAL MINYAN | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 11:10 PM

many tzitzis
was there penetration?

POSTED BY: MANY TZITZIS | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:55 PM

Shmulik
I can’t open the clip. I need a Cablevision account. Can someone upload it?

POSTED BY: SHMULIK | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:55 PM

Loshon Hora
One must realize although as I mentioned above why I feel this may be true. This is a media story the father is still entitled to be innocent until proven guilty be it in Beth din or court.
Over here, that has not happened & cannot happen anymore due to the statute of limitations. The reason why there is a statute of limitations is because eveidence fades, and people start imagining, & getting even.
I would still keep children away from him, & make a local Beth Din inquiry into how to deal with him, after all Beth Din doesn’t have a statute of limitations.
I also don’t like Satmar, but cannot say that they have a higher percentage than anyone else, how could anyone possibly know that,unless they are G-d.
As for mesira I can’t see how satmar has a problem with that. Their Rebbes are in court with each other so many years already, that it is hard to believe anyone has a problem with mesira overthere.

POSTED BY: LOSHON HORA | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:46 PM

OMG
When I was in Satmar, pedophilia was not a common occurrence, yes, there are exceptions to norm, i.e. Weingarten and few more, but overall I don’t believe that statistics will show a greater propensity for pedophilia in Satmar or other orthodox communities. That said, the problem is, that in Satmar and other Orthodox communities they will not report the pedophile to the authorities, thereby giving free rains to the pedophile too stalk for his next prey. Moreover, one pedophile could abuse hundreds of children, all without any fear. The outcome is some of these abused children, when they get older, they will turn into Pedophiles as well, now you have 20 new pedophiles. So the cesspool of pedophiles gets bigger and bigger. If the community doesn’t take real action i.e. report them to the police, then within a few generations, pedophile will be prevalent as red ants in the earth.

POSTED BY: OMG | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:36 PM

A. Nuran
You see a lot of this in places where men and women are not allowed to socialize and have normal sexual relations. In the Muslim world it’s almost exactly in proportion to the enforced separation. Worst in Afghanistan where “boy lovers” are accepted, approaching Western rates in Turkey and Jordan.

POSTED BY: A. NURAN | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:15 PM

Menachem Mendel lll
“And the father shall fornicate with is son in order to teach him that is wrong”

Since it is geschrieben the fathers conduct is acceptable and should be praised or as in this case not mentioned or discussed.

Regretfully, Shlomo Weiss is a misdirected soul who is lashing out against his loving parent who adored him.

End of story.

POSTED BY: MENACHEM MENDEL LLL | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:07 PM

steve
revealing his secret to his school teachers and to the head rabbi at the Nitra Yeshiva in Mount Kisco, where he was studying.

Weissmandl didn’t only cover up for Rubashkin, he also covered up for child molesters.

POSTED BY: STEVE | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 10:00 PM

Bassy the Haredi Slayer
I said it here and on another blogs and people always object, that Satmar is infested with incest and incest is integral part of their lifestyle.

The Israel Weingarten case is a glimpse into Satmar perverse world, this one is another.

Some people say that Satmar is not really originally Jewish but bunch of Hungarian pagans who somehow were able to attach themselves to European Jewry via hassidus.

POSTED BY: BASSY THE HAREDI SLAYER | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 09:45 PM

Alter Kocker
Communities such as Kiryas Joel must lose the concept of mesira. Going to the authorities must not be an act that would risk the excommunication of the complainant. This in effect doubly injures the complainant. the rabbis in this case must carry the weight of the sin. They let loose a pedophile in their midst, while seeking to cover up a youngster’s pain by sending him away and then forcing him into a marriage. All the while allowing his abuser to live in peace and carefree. Free to abuse another young child. This is the wisdom of the rabbis. This is what 18th century thought brings to a community. The community is able to deny. After all they are following the rabbi’s wishes. Surely the rabbi’s wisdom is such that all will be made as if it never happened.

Somewhere in Kiryas Joel, there is another young boy who has been sexually abused by this animal. Unfortunately, that child will not have justice. He will remain quiet. Maybe he will just go away and then everyone in Kiryas Joel can pretend that nothing is wrong and we are all happy little yidden. Pedophiles? He gives tzedakah, he donates to the rabbi’s special fund. So what if he puts his putz into litte boys. They are children and they have no legal standing at a beth din. Who cares what they say?

POSTED BY: ALTER KOCKER | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 09:28 PM

WoolSilkCotton
But, but, according to Cheskel, Kestenbaum, Chaim1, and Harold, frumma yidden- especially Satmar- are all such wonderful tzaddikim, so how can this be?

POSTED BY: WOOLSILKCOTTON | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 08:35 PM

Radical Feminist
“I don’t think there’s any community on Earth that has this percentage of people victimized,” says Ben Hirsch, of Survivors for Justice.

He obviously has not visited the Muslim world or spoken to girls in Africa or the Middle-East, such as Yemen where the marriage age is 10. Life is hell for children all over the world. And sadly, the Jews are no exception.

POSTED BY: RADICAL FEMINIST | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 08:29 PM

Loshon Hora
Another sad truth.
You could see that beast, with a cigarette, although legally & halachicaly this is only alledged abuse.
I find it hard to believe someone could confront his father on TV cameras like that, without a kernal of truth.
As for closure he may have got a little even or the last punch, but far from closure, as long as his father still roams around free.
This will build up again & again his blood will boil, & without the right therapy he may take dangerous revenge.
I think it is time for the father to make a public appoligy, and start a compensation plan, again only if this is true.

POSTED BY: LOSHON HORA | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 08:18 PM

ruthie
shlomo i believe you. bravo for standing up. i think you’re wonderful. i saw you on the news and am proud of you.

i’m SURE i’m not the only one.
i bless you with strength and only good from now on.

POSTED BY: RUTHIE | AUGUST 31, 2010 AT 08:13 PM

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